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  Personal thoughts and evaluations upon the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my own personal feelings about the jws when i was involved and i was brought up in the is religious practice from birth, was one of feeling of being lied to, exploited and manipulated to a certain extent.

  reflectively though i could see some wholesome social behavior direction being propagated not surprising nevertheless since this faith is based from christianity at its core.. where and how the wts/jws got bit corrupted i believe is that this organization has always had a publishing house and its core operation and supporting finances were mostly from that endeavoring operation.

  this also included creating doctrines which were to support and enhance the proliferation of those published works.

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  Muddy Waters

  Interesting about the sales meetings and pitches... This is one of things which helped wake me up (the biggest thing which finally woke me up was that evil publication, My Book of Bible Stories, which I almost gave to my little grandchildren, when I suddenly and thankfully, saw those awful, nightmarish pictures through their little eyes!)

  But getting back to the sales meeting thing -- my husband and I were (very briefly) involved in an MLM and the similarities between their meetings and the JW meetings were astounding. All you had to do was change the product.

  Sales pitches, testimonials, hyped up information, exclusive special sales force people and levels.... and the whole way-of-life thinking, taking every opportunity to share your message / product with everyone you meet.... keeping records, noting personal preferences or objects of people to use as part of your sales pitch.... the big wigs at the top.... the pressure to advance and do more, more more.... The tendency to look down on outsiders for not having the same wonderful, superior experience (or product) ...
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  70 inch t.v.'s on stage

  by dbq407 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the other night we had a resolution to purchase two 70 inch t.v.

  's to hang on either side of the stage.

  and also a smaller t.v.

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  Muddy Waters

  Wow.... truly mind boggling.

  Could it be that the powers-that-be felt that the giant projector screen up there in the MIDDLE of the stage was too reminiscent of the 1984 movie or famous Super Bowl commercial?

  With giant screens placed BESIDE the stage vs. in the *middle* don't you know it makes all the difference...? Now it's nothing like that silly big brother/Orwell 1984 thing. Whew.

  ...

  (In case anybody doesn't realize, yes, this post is heavy sarcasm....)
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  Correlation decline JW numbers and JW broadcasting?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read some impressive figures here about the decline of the jw numbers in 2015.. could there be a correlation between this decline and the start of jw broadcasting?.

  hence, that there would be an negative impact because the gb is standing so nearby, you can experience the idiot reasoning of their doctrines sitting in your own living room?.

  the lett effect?

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  Muddy Waters

  JW Rogue, what is the "infamous David Splane episode"...?
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  2015-11/3/BOE! New Literature Delivery Schedule!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  .. re: new schedule for delivery of magazines and literature .

  .click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/tz1mdat.

  .. .. wtunderground!.

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  Muddy Waters

  They sure are emphasizing cost and that this is going to be saving costs.

  And that they do not want any "wasting of our precious literature."
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  Did you know anyone who commited suicide in the org?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in 1991, a young brother maybe 18 years old living next to my place committed suicide.

  his father expected him to be very zealous just like he was, but the son never wanted to be like that.

  he was always controlled by his father.

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  Muddy Waters

  There was another tragic circumstance in our hall when a young sister bled to death following complications during childbirth, their baby died too. The husband was beside himself with grief and placed on suicide watch in psychiatric care. Nobody in the hall comforted him much as he was seen as "weak" by showing such extreme grief.

  This terrible situation still eats at me and tears me apart, as I was one of those cold-hearted, brainwashed idiot dubs who also believed he was weak and was not putting enough faith in Jehovah and trust in the resurrection hope.....

  Oh these are hurtful memories....

  .... if there is a god, may God damn the Watchtower.
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  Did you know anyone who commited suicide in the org?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in 1991, a young brother maybe 18 years old living next to my place committed suicide.

  his father expected him to be very zealous just like he was, but the son never wanted to be like that.

  he was always controlled by his father.

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  Muddy Waters

  What a sad, terrible thread and it is horrible there are so many incidents of suicide in the bOrg.

  In our hall, one older brother tried to kill himself by taking an overdose. He was in a coma for awhile but did survive. He was very lonely and had a disfellowshipped son whom he missed very much. His son came to visit him in the hospital after his suicide attempt which greatly cheered him up. But he fell into a deep depression again after that as he felt so guilty about having contact with his son.

  We don't know what has happened to this brother now, last we heard, he was living alone and still going to meetings, still clinging to the "truth" and shunning his only son ...
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  One Year Later - A Thank You to Tony Morris.

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear anthony morris, iii:.

  i wanted to send you a note of "thanks" on this special day.. why is this day special, you may ask?

  one year ago today, you, tony, woke me up to the fact that the governing body could not have jehovah's blessing or direction.. last year, on november 8th & 9th, 2014, the united states branch visit was broadcast to over 1,000,000 jehovah's witnesses across the country.. as i sat at the kingdom hall listening to the "historic occasion," i was ignoring certain doubts that had surfaced in the few months prior.

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  Cappytan, that video clip was excellent, thank you!!

  I can totally see how his ranting, venomous words began waking people up! Bravo!!

  Is this one of the reasons they are all reading things from paper or cue cards now?? lol

  Does anyone have the clip for the COLORED SOCKS segment?? That would be like icing on the cake and will go so well in this thread.....
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  You contemptible worms aren't giving us enough! GIVE US MORE! Service meeting part December 21, 2015

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from the october 19 letter to the body of elders:.

  to all bodies of eldersre: service meeting part for week of december 21, 2015dear brothers:the service meeting for the week of december 21, 2015, includes a ten-minute part entitledshow appreciation for jehovahs generosity.

  this is to be a talk based on the november15, 2015, watchtower, pages 14-15. sometime during this part, the video a gift in hand to jehovahshould be played for the congregation.

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  They really need to have more transparency about their financials. Knowing WT, this will never happen. It's very irresponsible and rude, really, to keep asking for donations and not provide any summary of how much goes where, what gets paid to who, etc.

  You might as well throw your money into a black hole and trust that it ends up doing good somewhere.....
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  Too Much Discontent in the Congregation Part 2

  by Simon Templar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  here is part 2..

  so you will have some understanding of the boe i will reference in future posts, the following is who they are:.

  the coordinator.

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  Muddy Waters

  lol, love it! Can't wait to hear more!

  It sounds like a soap opera.... typical lame characters who each think they are of vital importance... innocent characters getting shit on and betrayed... big people at the top stomping the little people into the ground... clueless people running around trying to do important things that aren't really important after all....
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  ROKU Maybe damaging TVs

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  using a roku may damage the color on tv sets.

  it appears to change the color phase to magenta.. has anyone else noticed this problem on their tvs while using a roku?

  apparently, the problem cannot be repaired.. http://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=90113.

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  Muddy Waters

  "... as we look intently, with bright beaming [magenta] faces ...."